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Can anybody give the name of the South East Asian plant, reported to have a chemical that nor-iboga can be retrieved/derived from...
Just off the top of your heads, so I dont have to search too hard...
I am always looking for options...
L
Just off the top of your heads, so I dont have to search too hard...
I am always looking for options...
L
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 4:00 AMmight be star jasmine you mean -
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 5:59 AMStar Jasmine'
Blessings
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 11:46 AMLuo Shi Teng
Trachelospermum jasmenoides
It is used for ANY kind of "Bi" (energy blockage) in Chinese medicine. It is used to increase the power of pain treatments.
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 12:03 PMfrom a chinese pharmacy? thats easy to find if thats the case. -
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 5:01 PMWholesale importers have hundreds of kilos on hand. It grows GREAT around here.
Should I make a solid extract from it? -
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 5:06 PMdoes that mean i need to hunt someone down specific, or is it at a chinese herb store?
having not worked with it, i couldn't say if an extract would be better or not. -
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Wed, June 17, 2009 - 8:30 PMI'm overdue to write Kevin a letter, i will just ask him. -
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Thu, June 18, 2009 - 2:19 PMI used to talk to Kevin about that plant ten years ago. He will know why you are asking about it! He'll probably even know who you were talking to! -
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Re: O.k. smart guys...
Thu, June 18, 2009 - 7:12 PMwell apparently he will be the one to actually answer the question, lol! -
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playing prognosticator
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 1:56 AMBoy, you guys are clever... I also have a friend named Kevin, and incidentally he is a TCM...
And you may be right without knowing the direct connections...
Like the Facebook name counter stat, you can find out how common your name is, and how many people have it.
Is this Vancouver crowd so well known?
I realize "tribe" has been temperamental in its recent online usability, which would lead me to believe, that traffic numbers have significantly dropped.
Anybody know those daily use stats..? you see I am a sucker for statistics, and empirical evidence...
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 11:46 AMThe Kevin we know studied briefly in Canada. -
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 3:51 PMwell you could just make it easier on me, and give me some info on the plant there buddy. You do communicate faster. i am curious about it too, but i have no input on that particular plant, and was trying to coax you to share some info on it in particular. or with the warriors.
Luo shi teng - could you enlighten me a bit- is it a plant with good tonic effects? what about its alkaloids?
Thanks bro. (i need to talk with you soon about some things too)
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sat, June 27, 2009 - 7:05 PMI have a report' of which I can no find'
It is a story I found some 18 years ago of Monks in Asia curing addicts with a concoction'
One of the plants I recognised was' "Star Jasmine"
Also a plants that yields high vit B6 of which aids in the synthesis of dopamine and seretonin'
Also "Blue lilly" of which is a D1 and D2 agonist'
You could no doubt' with skill' combine a concoction of such plants that gave Ibogaine effects plus a D1 D2 dopamine agonists and B6 synthesis of dopamine and seretonin'
I never attempted such a concoction'
It set me on my path to "Light"
The report was in one of those magazines of extreme body piercings' plus a cure for opium addiction in Asia' and reference to "Star" herb'
I saw the pics of the guys who partook of this brew'
They had no addiction after five days' had bodies of taught muscle and eyes like saucers' with huge smiles on their faces'
I said'
"Fuck' I am going to take that shit"
Eventualy took a large amount of Iboga' because this is of where all my research lead me'
Ibogaine plus 12 Hydroxy-ibogamine' the later holds for me' as did' way more punch than Ibogaine itself'
Anyways'
Be well
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Re: playing prognosticator
Fri, July 24, 2009 - 11:36 PMCould you eat the root of Voacanga africana , as you would the root of iboga to induce anti-addictive like properties in high doses? -
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Sat, July 25, 2009 - 4:30 AMhe he he' "No" Voacangine is no Ibogaine' also you would no wish to take a substanial dose of voacangine over small stimulating doses as it is physicaly un-comfortable'
Voacangine is a vey electric experience in small doses' also mixes well as a tonic with Iboga alkaloids' I beleive some Iboga plants contain small amounts of voacangine'
Blessings
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 10:48 AMit would make too much chest tension to approach useful doseage. it is very uncomfortable in higher doses -
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 10:59 AM> it is very uncomfortable in higher doses
The same can be said of the Iboga *bark* (as opposed to the rootbark). -
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 1:50 PMDzikus- so the feeling of ibo bark (not rootbark) similar to voacanga? I mixed voaconga seed and bark for the extract i made. and just the small amount of material i had, made1 1/2oz of gooey tincture (water and vinegar processed first). And just 8-10 drops were a fine, kinda speedy, energy tonic. but i can feel the constriction in my chest, very soundly convincing me that hallucinatory effects would be both highly uncomfortable and dangerous. -
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Sun, July 26, 2009 - 6:37 AMI have no personal experience with Voacanga.
As for Iboga bark, I took 25 grams once and it was very uncomfortable - ataxia, racing heart, throbbing head, yet no visions or psychoactivity. It took me 2 days to recover. -
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Sun, July 26, 2009 - 5:39 PMthanks, Dzikus. thats kinda like voaganga, for sure. -
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The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine
Mon, July 27, 2009 - 3:42 PMTabernanthe orientalis, also called Tabernaemontana orientalis.
This plant is now called Ervatamia orientalis, and is found in Western Australia.
The leaves contain ibogaine, along with six minor alkaloids that are closely related, structurally.
Tabernaemontana orientalis (syn Ervatamia orientalis)
Australian Ibogaine Bush, Iodine Bush
Botanical information
An evergreen shrub, it grows to a height of 2.5m with a spread of 2m.
The stem is erect and branching; the leaves are opposite, thick, smooth, 10-15cm long and narowly ovate-acuminate; the flowers are white, and expanding tubular.
A native of Australia, India and some areas of the Pacific....
Traditional uses
The common name 'iodine bush' arose from its reputed use by Aborigines to cure sores and ulcers.
It belongs to a family with many toxic members and this one has been suspected of poisoning horses and cows.
However, there is no record of human poisoning and it appears that the protein-breaking enzymes, and possibly even antibiotics, in the milky latex may actually have healing properties.
It has also been called Bitter Bark and has found use as a quinine substitute in colonial times.
This Tabernaemontana is a close relative of the Tabernanthe iboga bush, which is used ritually in Africa.
Alkaloids of Ervatamia orientalis
Knox & Slobbe
Aust J Chem #28: 1813-56, 1975.
In this study leaves and bark of different Australian specimens were quantitavely and qualitatively analysed for their alkaloids.
In the leaves the alkaloids isolated,at about 0.22% yield, were ibogaine, iboxygaine, ervatamine, 19-dehydroervatamine and apparacine. in the ratios of 1.8 : 0.25 : 0.5 : 1 : 2 respectively.
Three samples of bark were found to contain 1.3 %, 2 % and 1.4 % alkaloids.
The alkaloids were found to be a mixture of ervatamine, tabernaemontanine, 16-demethoxycarbonyl-20�-epidihydro-voacamine, 20-epiervatamine, dregamine, 19-dehydroervatamine, vobasine, voacamine, 16-demethoxycarbonyl-dihydro-voacamine and voacristine.
The following alkaloids are of the ibogan type, ibogaine, iboxygaine and voacristine.
The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine are actually dimeric alkaloids constructed from a single ibogaine molecule combined with either a dregamine or tabernaemontanine molecule.
Just for interest sake'
Treatment of Voacamine with pot-ash and micro-waves yields Ibogaine'
A large majority of Ibogaine hcl in the world is made this way'
Blessings
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Re: The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine
Mon, July 27, 2009 - 4:06 PMOne really annoying thing I notice'
Folks ask of me questions about plant alchemy and the such like by PM'
I answer them'
They fuckin ignore me'
Get it sorted' a bit of respect would no go amiss'
Or perhaps it would be best I just ignore you and let you do yout own fuckin studies'
Nice' I feel better now :)))
Be well
Nganga Nobuoni + -
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Re: The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine
Tue, July 28, 2009 - 1:02 AMdon't waste time where its not going to be appreciated, you have too much work to do already.
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Re: The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine
Tue, July 28, 2009 - 4:38 AMHeh heh heh, I hear you Nobu. I've often scratched my head wondering what's up with some of these people who write me. Then again, one must keep the expectations to a minimum, no? =)
> Treatment of Voacamine with pot-ash and micro-waves yields Ibogaine'
A large majority of Ibogaine hcl in the world is made this way'
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Re: The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine
Thu, July 30, 2009 - 3:09 PMA single ibogaine molecule combined with either a dregamine or tabernaemontanine molecule is called Voacamine'
Voacangine' a plant closely related to T.Iboga yields high quantities of Voacamine'
The action of mixing Voacamine with pot ash and then micro-waving the resultant compound splits and destroys the dregamine and tabernaemontanine molecule off of the Ibogaine molecule' (heat specific so youo desty he Ibogaine mole as well)
The Ibogaine is then extracted from the pot ash an treated with acids n' bases' then an acid' usualy hcl' the resultant Ibogine hcl falls out of the solution and is filtered and dried'
The sysnthesis of Ibogaine is deemed almost pointless' becasue of the complex stages that are required to costruct he molecule from scratch'
Merk index lists extraction methods from plant materials' but no sysnthesis'
I looked into sysnthesis'
Forget it' DMT is easier :)))
input is loads' output is almost zilch'
So chemists use Voacamine and bust it up with micro-waves and alkaline pot-ash'
Extraction of TA Iboga is done either with methanol or an acid' Ibogaine oxydises in contact with heat' water and oxygen unless in an acid salt state' of where it is stable for years'
TA' is of where the Iboga experience is' Ibogaine hcl in my experience holds no flame to TA of Iboga'
It actualy feels like an anti-depressant as of when the maoi effect hits the dopamine and seretonin in your brain' the SRI effect of nor-ibogaine is the same off of Ibogaine hcl or TA of Iboga' except the combo of the alks in TA last way longer than the single mole Ibogaine'
Blessings
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Re: The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine
Fri, July 31, 2009 - 11:14 AMInteresting...
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Re: The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine
Fri, July 31, 2009 - 12:12 PMYw :)))
Bliss
Nobu +
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sat, July 25, 2009 - 9:14 PMWe need to find out about this so called 'Star Brew' :D
It sounds very interesting. I must say. Thanks for the info -
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sun, July 26, 2009 - 5:52 AMI have Star Jasmine growing outside the window. Just gotta find those *other* ingredients. :-)
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Re: playing prognosticator
Sun, June 28, 2009 - 12:17 AMI can't take a hint.
I'll order a bunch on monday and send you half.
It is good for almost any pain.
I'm not thinking it is at al tonic in the TCM sense but it seems really safe and good for long term energy or blood stagnation.
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