http://iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#219941cd-1850-41ff-8f94-7c177fdf1f16 Yw :))) Bliss Nobu + Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:12:37 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#219941cd-1850-41ff-8f94-7c177fdf1f16 Nobuoni + 2009-07-31T19:12:37Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#83e028de-a55d-4123-8b0a-e519e10d0295 Interesting... Thanks for the rundown! Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:14:55 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#83e028de-a55d-4123-8b0a-e519e10d0295 dimi3 2009-07-31T18:14:55Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#0d408ecf-1e8e-44b2-9843-914bb5e2dfa8 A single ibogaine molecule combined with either a dregamine or tabernaemontanine molecule is called Voacamine' Voacangine' a plant closely related to T.Iboga yields high quantities of Voacamine' The action of mixing Voacamine with pot ash and then micro-waving the resultant compound splits and destroys the dregamine and tabernaemontanine molecule off of the Ibogaine molecule' (heat specific so youo desty he Ibogaine mole as well) The Ibogaine is then extracted from the pot ash an treated with acids n' bases' then an acid' usualy hcl' the resultant Ibogine hcl falls out of the solution and is filtered and dried' The sysnthesis of Ibogaine is deemed almost pointless' becasue of the complex stages that are required to costruct he molecule from scratch' Merk index lists extraction methods from plant materials' but no sysnthesis' I looked into sysnthesis' Forget it' DMT is easier :))) input is loads' output is almost zilch' So chemists use Voacamine and bust it up with micro-waves and alkaline pot-ash' Extraction of TA Iboga is done either with methanol or an acid' Ibogaine oxydises in contact with heat' water and oxygen unless in an acid salt state' of where it is stable for years' TA' is of where the Iboga experience is' Ibogaine hcl in my experience holds no flame to TA of Iboga' It actualy feels like an anti-depressant as of when the maoi effect hits the dopamine and seretonin in your brain' the SRI effect of nor-ibogaine is the same off of Ibogaine hcl or TA of Iboga' except the combo of the alks in TA last way longer than the single mole Ibogaine' Blessings Nobuoni + Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:09:46 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#0d408ecf-1e8e-44b2-9843-914bb5e2dfa8 Nobuoni + 2009-07-30T22:09:46Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#4d11f37e-d7ee-4db4-befc-e73994b0a25f Heh heh heh, I hear you Nobu. I've often scratched my head wondering what's up with some of these people who write me. Then again, one must keep the expectations to a minimum, no? =) > Treatment of Voacamine with pot-ash and micro-waves yields Ibogaine' A large majority of Ibogaine hcl in the world is made this way' Really? Could you elaborate? Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:38:16 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#4d11f37e-d7ee-4db4-befc-e73994b0a25f dimi3 2009-07-28T11:38:16Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#ae71de67-d047-4974-ae68-011c843db650 don't waste time where its not going to be appreciated, you have too much work to do already. Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:02:58 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#ae71de67-d047-4974-ae68-011c843db650 Flint 2009-07-28T08:02:58Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#e480c4ae-1c6e-44ce-96b2-89200953b208 One really annoying thing I notice' Folks ask of me questions about plant alchemy and the such like by PM' I answer them' They fuckin ignore me' Get it sorted' a bit of respect would no go amiss' Or perhaps it would be best I just ignore you and let you do yout own fuckin studies' Nice' I feel better now :))) Be well Nganga Nobuoni + Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:06:49 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#e480c4ae-1c6e-44ce-96b2-89200953b208 Nobuoni + 2009-07-27T23:06:49Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#9ffc8061-257a-489c-accc-0f44ea939785 Tabernanthe orientalis, also called Tabernaemontana orientalis. This plant is now called Ervatamia orientalis, and is found in Western Australia. The leaves contain ibogaine, along with six minor alkaloids that are closely related, structurally. Tabernaemontana orientalis (syn Ervatamia orientalis) Australian Ibogaine Bush, Iodine Bush Botanical information An evergreen shrub, it grows to a height of 2.5m with a spread of 2m. The stem is erect and branching; the leaves are opposite, thick, smooth, 10-15cm long and narowly ovate-acuminate; the flowers are white, and expanding tubular. A native of Australia, India and some areas of the Pacific.... Traditional uses The common name 'iodine bush' arose from its reputed use by Aborigines to cure sores and ulcers. It belongs to a family with many toxic members and this one has been suspected of poisoning horses and cows. However, there is no record of human poisoning and it appears that the protein-breaking enzymes, and possibly even antibiotics, in the milky latex may actually have healing properties. It has also been called Bitter Bark and has found use as a quinine substitute in colonial times. This Tabernaemontana is a close relative of the Tabernanthe iboga bush, which is used ritually in Africa. Alkaloids of Ervatamia orientalis Knox & Slobbe Aust J Chem #28: 1813-56, 1975. In this study leaves and bark of different Australian specimens were quantitavely and qualitatively analysed for their alkaloids. In the leaves the alkaloids isolated,at about 0.22% yield, were ibogaine, iboxygaine, ervatamine, 19-dehydroervatamine and apparacine. in the ratios of 1.8 : 0.25 : 0.5 : 1 : 2 respectively. Three samples of bark were found to contain 1.3 %, 2 % and 1.4 % alkaloids. The alkaloids were found to be a mixture of ervatamine, tabernaemontanine, 16-demethoxycarbonyl-20�-epidihydro-voacamine, 20-epiervatamine, dregamine, 19-dehydroervatamine, vobasine, voacamine, 16-demethoxycarbonyl-dihydro-voacamine and voacristine. The following alkaloids are of the ibogan type, ibogaine, iboxygaine and voacristine. The alkaloids voacamine, 16-decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydrovoacamine and 16 decarbomethoxy-19,20-dihydro-20-epi-voacamine are actually dimeric alkaloids constructed from a single ibogaine molecule combined with either a dregamine or tabernaemontanine molecule. Just for interest sake' Treatment of Voacamine with pot-ash and micro-waves yields Ibogaine' A large majority of Ibogaine hcl in the world is made this way' Blessings Nobuoni + Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:42:44 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#9ffc8061-257a-489c-accc-0f44ea939785 Nobuoni + 2009-07-27T22:42:44Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#31731765-00c5-4e5f-aaba-5386831facdd thanks, Dzikus. thats kinda like voaganga, for sure. Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:39:00 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#31731765-00c5-4e5f-aaba-5386831facdd Flint 2009-07-27T00:39:00Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#e60da63e-a6e1-4ac1-9fdd-00fc0e33cc43 I have no personal experience with Voacanga. As for Iboga bark, I took 25 grams once and it was very uncomfortable - ataxia, racing heart, throbbing head, yet no visions or psychoactivity. It took me 2 days to recover. Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:37:28 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#e60da63e-a6e1-4ac1-9fdd-00fc0e33cc43 Dzikus 2009-07-26T13:37:28Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#d34729bb-5336-4c70-9b4c-3dc520215029 I have Star Jasmine growing outside the window. Just gotta find those *other* ingredients. :-) Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:52:48 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#d34729bb-5336-4c70-9b4c-3dc520215029 Torrey 2009-07-26T12:52:48Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#f749a156-06aa-40aa-acf5-aebb46edd8da We need to find out about this so called 'Star Brew' :D It sounds very interesting. I must say. Thanks for the info Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:14:28 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#f749a156-06aa-40aa-acf5-aebb46edd8da $item.owner.firstName 2009-07-26T04:14:28Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#8eba8fac-7cac-4008-93d4-b1391380f484 Dzikus- so the feeling of ibo bark (not rootbark) similar to voacanga? I mixed voaconga seed and bark for the extract i made. and just the small amount of material i had, made1 1/2oz of gooey tincture (water and vinegar processed first). And just 8-10 drops were a fine, kinda speedy, energy tonic. but i can feel the constriction in my chest, very soundly convincing me that hallucinatory effects would be both highly uncomfortable and dangerous. Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:50:19 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#8eba8fac-7cac-4008-93d4-b1391380f484 Flint 2009-07-25T20:50:19Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#f4b3959e-b267-4971-b513-c2ef2077d0da > it is very uncomfortable in higher doses The same can be said of the Iboga *bark* (as opposed to the rootbark). Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:59:46 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#f4b3959e-b267-4971-b513-c2ef2077d0da Dzikus 2009-07-25T17:59:46Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#75a4f8f0-1a42-4bde-9c33-8e65f443a836 it would make too much chest tension to approach useful doseage. it is very uncomfortable in higher doses Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:48:42 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#75a4f8f0-1a42-4bde-9c33-8e65f443a836 Flint 2009-07-25T17:48:42Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#03ce3e3d-0703-4d43-a5fd-10514398f49d he he he' "No" Voacangine is no Ibogaine' also you would no wish to take a substanial dose of voacangine over small stimulating doses as it is physicaly un-comfortable' Voacangine is a vey electric experience in small doses' also mixes well as a tonic with Iboga alkaloids' I beleive some Iboga plants contain small amounts of voacangine' Blessings Nobuoni + Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:30:45 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#03ce3e3d-0703-4d43-a5fd-10514398f49d Nobuoni + 2009-07-25T11:30:45Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#059ee2a4-40d2-425b-8a76-253999e0305d no Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:56:19 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#059ee2a4-40d2-425b-8a76-253999e0305d Flint 2009-07-25T08:56:19Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#3487c0d5-a66a-4958-9d32-9e204404e2cd Could you eat the root of Voacanga africana , as you would the root of iboga to induce anti-addictive like properties in high doses? Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:36:11 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#3487c0d5-a66a-4958-9d32-9e204404e2cd $item.owner.firstName 2009-07-25T06:36:11Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#fd2ad289-7458-4ae7-b1fe-bf285177a7f2 I can't take a hint. I'll order a bunch on monday and send you half. It is good for almost any pain. I'm not thinking it is at al tonic in the TCM sense but it seems really safe and good for long term energy or blood stagnation. Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:17:09 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#fd2ad289-7458-4ae7-b1fe-bf285177a7f2 Parad 2009-06-28T07:17:09Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#5793c7d6-f3d3-4b37-8e61-a044aaf5b09b I have a report' of which I can no find' It is a story I found some 18 years ago of Monks in Asia curing addicts with a concoction' One of the plants I recognised was' "Star Jasmine" Also a plants that yields high vit B6 of which aids in the synthesis of dopamine and seretonin' Also "Blue lilly" of which is a D1 and D2 agonist' You could no doubt' with skill' combine a concoction of such plants that gave Ibogaine effects plus a D1 D2 dopamine agonists and B6 synthesis of dopamine and seretonin' I never attempted such a concoction' It set me on my path to "Light" The report was in one of those magazines of extreme body piercings' plus a cure for opium addiction in Asia' and reference to "Star" herb' I saw the pics of the guys who partook of this brew' They had no addiction after five days' had bodies of taught muscle and eyes like saucers' with huge smiles on their faces' I said' "Fuck' I am going to take that shit" Eventualy took a large amount of Iboga' because this is of where all my research lead me' Ibogaine plus 12 Hydroxy-ibogamine' the later holds for me' as did' way more punch than Ibogaine itself' Anyways' Be well Nobuoni + Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:05:25 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#5793c7d6-f3d3-4b37-8e61-a044aaf5b09b Nobuoni + 2009-06-28T02:05:25Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#b5b4cd84-f9aa-4190-b7ac-ed4f490eb74c well you could just make it easier on me, and give me some info on the plant there buddy. You do communicate faster. i am curious about it too, but i have no input on that particular plant, and was trying to coax you to share some info on it in particular. or with the warriors. Luo shi teng - could you enlighten me a bit- is it a plant with good tonic effects? what about its alkaloids? Thanks bro. (i need to talk with you soon about some things too) Travis Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:51:59 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#b5b4cd84-f9aa-4190-b7ac-ed4f490eb74c Flint 2009-06-27T22:51:59Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#14aae819-9425-4536-837b-6c78ba52d845 The Kevin we know studied briefly in Canada. Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:46:47 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#14aae819-9425-4536-837b-6c78ba52d845 Parad 2009-06-27T18:46:47Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#29f0bb2b-5087-4f6c-a06d-9007ff0791d1 Boy, you guys are clever... I also have a friend named Kevin, and incidentally he is a TCM... And you may be right without knowing the direct connections... Like the Facebook name counter stat, you can find out how common your name is, and how many people have it. Is this Vancouver crowd so well known? I realize "tribe" has been temperamental in its recent online usability, which would lead me to believe, that traffic numbers have significantly dropped. Anybody know those daily use stats..? you see I am a sucker for statistics, and empirical evidence... L Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:56:35 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#29f0bb2b-5087-4f6c-a06d-9007ff0791d1 Leon 2009-06-27T08:56:35Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#b52906af-6ed9-48ab-9e6f-63c39669af83 well apparently he will be the one to actually answer the question, lol! Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:12:10 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#b52906af-6ed9-48ab-9e6f-63c39669af83 Flint 2009-06-19T02:12:10Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#858a62ef-2b28-4f27-9d60-e21a486b8182 I used to talk to Kevin about that plant ten years ago. He will know why you are asking about it! He'll probably even know who you were talking to! Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:19:58 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#858a62ef-2b28-4f27-9d60-e21a486b8182 Parad 2009-06-18T21:19:58Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#2e44665b-be4b-4803-a51c-2e3d5df0ffff I'm overdue to write Kevin a letter, i will just ask him. Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:30:08 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#2e44665b-be4b-4803-a51c-2e3d5df0ffff Flint 2009-06-18T03:30:08Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#1876a34d-a0af-4741-8775-3b5a419e51ec does that mean i need to hunt someone down specific, or is it at a chinese herb store? having not worked with it, i couldn't say if an extract would be better or not. Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:06:07 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#1876a34d-a0af-4741-8775-3b5a419e51ec Flint 2009-06-18T00:06:07Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#68aa9d57-8270-4975-9c73-bab805c2f15a Wholesale importers have hundreds of kilos on hand. It grows GREAT around here. Should I make a solid extract from it? Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:01:22 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#68aa9d57-8270-4975-9c73-bab805c2f15a Parad 2009-06-18T00:01:22Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#cdde16e5-ff43-4f1f-9c5b-dee76a4a2cfa from a chinese pharmacy? thats easy to find if thats the case. Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:03:33 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#cdde16e5-ff43-4f1f-9c5b-dee76a4a2cfa Flint 2009-06-17T19:03:33Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#cd521f7b-5941-4d65-8f7a-77a5ce63b000 Luo Shi Teng Trachelospermum jasmenoides It is used for ANY kind of "Bi" (energy blockage) in Chinese medicine. It is used to increase the power of pain treatments. Cheap and easily available. Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:46:57 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#cd521f7b-5941-4d65-8f7a-77a5ce63b000 Parad 2009-06-17T18:46:57Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#4b27a233-3235-42fe-a292-7bd197135de7 Star Jasmine' Blessings Nobuoni + Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:59:02 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#4b27a233-3235-42fe-a292-7bd197135de7 Nobuoni + 2009-06-17T12:59:02Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#61bbf06c-1dc1-4351-bfff-b602a5b956e3 might be star jasmine you mean Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:00:19 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#61bbf06c-1dc1-4351-bfff-b602a5b956e3 jason 2009-06-17T11:00:19Z http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#30b33f40-a612-42a3-a457-f909081591dd Can anybody give the name of the South East Asian plant, reported to have a chemical that nor-iboga can be retrieved/derived from... Just off the top of your heads, so I dont have to search too hard... I am always looking for options... L Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:10:13 GMT http://Iboga.tribe.net/thread/12aa75b4-8c48-46c8-99a5-f13a8c503d4b#30b33f40-a612-42a3-a457-f909081591dd Leon 2009-06-17T04:10:13Z