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What I'm thinking is, prepare a tea using mildly acidic water, and drink that. Then 15 minutes later, eat the used root with yogurt (as was suggested elsewhere).
This would give me a chance to absorb a lot of alkaloids from the tea, which would pass quickly, before introducing the harsher solid material, which I think would be more likely to make me vomit.
Good idea? Or is there something I don't know?
This would give me a chance to absorb a lot of alkaloids from the tea, which would pass quickly, before introducing the harsher solid material, which I think would be more likely to make me vomit.
Good idea? Or is there something I don't know?
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Sun, January 18, 2009 - 11:15 AMTwo issues come to mind:
- heat destroys the alkaloids
- you generally can't drink water with Ibo
But then again, I've seen a report of a Bwiti initiation where they used a tea.
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Sun, January 18, 2009 - 3:09 PMRoot is useless'
Tea made with rootbark tastes real nasty' but works fine'
As long as you keep the alkaloids in an acidic salt state' they can take quite a bit of heat'
Bliss'
Nobunoni +
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Sun, January 18, 2009 - 6:40 PMThanks for the feedback guys.
Dzinkus- CAN'T drink water, as in, unable to lift the glass?
or SHOULDN'T drink water, as in, will wash the ibo out of system, will fill bladder when I can't get up, etc.
I don't recall anything in the forum about water restriction on ibo, other than be sparing. Am I missing something?
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My impetus for this idea is getting it in my bloodstream fast before nausea sets in. Am I worrying about nothing? If nausea is generally mild, and water can screw things up, perhaps I shouldn't bother.
But as this is my first time, and I have precious little (expensive) root bark, I don't want to vomit and waste it.
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Sun, January 18, 2009 - 7:51 PM''My impetus for this idea is getting it in my bloodstream fast before nausea sets in. Am I worrying about nothing? If nausea is generally mild, and water can screw things up, perhaps I shouldn't bother. ''
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you lose motor skill co-ordination while the experience is going on. ( 1gm and up amout).
some (many) people get sick to their stomach when they move. gotta lay still to the best of your ability.
for many people, it just plain means staying at a location nearer the bathroom, to avail yourself of the toilet when the moment arrives......
:)
Travis
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Mon, January 19, 2009 - 2:36 AMBe sparing. Take small sips every now and then.
When I ate the rootbark, I didn't wash it down and it was quite an ordeal. Perhaps I was too hard on myself.
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Mon, January 19, 2009 - 9:16 PMthe same with me, except, that i don't seem to be bothered by the taste. i am an herbalist, so i have tasted things far worse. -
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Tue, January 20, 2009 - 8:01 AMIboga makes the lining of the gut numb' you drink water ontop' you vomit'
The best way to get the Iboga into the system quick is with a reduced tea' of about 1/2 ounce of water'
Gently cook the rootbark in water with a splash of vinegar' this acidifies the alkaloids'
It takes about an hour with the lid on'
Strain off the liquid' chew a bit of the woods' if they are still bitter' cook em again in clean acidic water'
Take the water/s and reduce it slowly to a small amount' with the lid off'
Drink the waters'
Go lay down'
Have a bucket beside the bed' so you no have to get up again' lay very still'
I can no even get off the bed whilst under the influence of Iboga' let alone go to the toilet' a bucket suffices for the first 24 hours'
Safe journeys'
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Tue, June 16, 2009 - 8:53 PMAnd what a strange sensation, like having drank liquid metal... thick and heavy, only water...
I did get worried after a few days though, being unable to retain water (it was a strong dose) perhaps an I.V. drip would have been good to have in case...
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Sat, June 20, 2009 - 10:48 PMWhat if you were to add some (sea-)salt to the water in order to retain it better? Replenishing one's electrolytes would be important too I'd reckon. Perhaps a sports drink or special multi vitamin and mineral fizzing solution would do?
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Sun, June 21, 2009 - 12:25 AMi don't seem to react to the taste like others do. (years of herbalism to begin with) so i really feel that gradual intake is the key for myself anyway. It is gentler to me, in some manner. And i get the opportunity to really observe mama's healing powers on other medicinal levels, which are not usually explored in the course of learning from ibo. At least in the beginning, anyway? Micro-dosing over a period of time brings such sober crystal clarity to your perceptions. Hemisphere interaction is at its peak. (at this point, i add colloidal gold, but some do not like it, from what i gather. I find them to be wonderful adjunctives to conciousness and mind processing.) Ibo allows other herbs to be led to the immune system, and act more effectively. Every 10x or so of micro dosing, i have a dose of voacanga extract. It fine tunes certain things, and is more 'electric' as our friend Nobu has said about it. Or, every 3rd day, i chew 5-15 voacanga seeds. In turn, voacanga can have some very yohimbe-like feel too. Those tabernathe cousins.... hee hee.
but back to subject- i have felt longer, more in depth changes, when i chew it slower, over a long length of time. I think either would work, but at some doses- even the mouthful or two of emergen-C, would be too much liquid. But thats just my feel for it.
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Re: Why do they always eat the root? What about tea?
Sun, June 21, 2009 - 3:01 PMThe least liquid the better' and no to salt as it messes with blood pressure'
I have found the best way is to just eat it' eat little bits' regular' until the body says no more' this is the traditional way and is also done like this for a reason'
The amount of alkaloids absorbed from ingestion of the woods is different to say ingesting an extract or HCL'
Per weight' 12 alks TA is way more powerful than HCL'
Good quality Iboga rootbark takes 5.9 grams for a visual experience' that is 350mg TA'
Most folks no eat Iboga for to get mass amounts of Ibogaine in the system to beat withdrawal/addiction' this takes skill by a specialist provider'
It seems most folks either are getting bunk woods and are attempting to ingest 10 grams or more'
Or folks no like to eat Iboga'
I like the taste' it is part of the cleansing experience'
Ibogaine is no water soluble' unless you drop the ph of the water' as of when it hits the blood it converts back to being insoluble in water and is absorbed by the fat cells' working as a slow release'
Unless you are beating a physical addiction I can see no point in doing anything with the rootbark other than chewing it and swallowing .:)
Blessings love & light
Nobuoni +
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