traditional initiation in Gabon

topic posted Thu, April 10, 2008 - 5:22 PM by  simon
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If anyone is interested in going to Gabon for a traditional experience and initiation; Either my self or other contacts I will provide can be contacted. There has been recent interest from a number of people and it would be a better idea to organise small groups. This can also include women that are intersted. Mikodio is working on a package for the people that have made enquiries so far and I will keep you up to date with those that have mailed me but for any one else we should have further information soon which will be posted; if you are interested now you can mail me anytime; its the oppertunity for a fantastic experience and the funds will help meet the needs of the village.
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  • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

    Fri, April 11, 2008 - 12:38 PM
    Sounds interesting. Never been to the African continent but been wanting to for a long time. Sounds to me like there is no substitute for a "real" traditional initiation...

    What kind of price tag is involved? It might be a good idea to provide further details, including how exactly this particular village will benefit... before you-know-what happens (LOL).
    • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

      Fri, April 11, 2008 - 1:00 PM
      A friend is working out a sort of package with all the things you will need and the breakdown of the cost, I will post more on this but the money goes to the people as explained in the excerpt I added recently not to an indervidual. We should have more information soon, the only thing is that certain prices of items have risen due to infation. Watch this space!
      • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

        Fri, April 11, 2008 - 1:23 PM
        There has to be a price involved. If you go to a doctor in the west you have to pay too :-]

        Simon please provide as much details as is possible. Not only the price but the details of the ceremony, the location, the number of people "usualy" involved, the experience of the nganga etc etc :-]
        • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

          Fri, April 11, 2008 - 7:03 PM
          I will get as much information as I can but the big job is up to a friend. So far you will be met in Librevill and arranged for a guest house to stay at which is affordable until you are fetched and taken to the village. This time is also used to collect the things that will be used for the initiation. The cost of these things will be provided ASAP. As to the people involved it is usually a spontaniouse thing; the people in the village take part from the women that cook the food and collect some of the medicines and others that collect fire wood; people just join in there is no format invite and then there is some money for them to get home. Think of it as a family celebration; like a party or wedding. you provide the food and drink and get the suit and the guests set the atmosphere. Think of it that way rather than paying an indervidual for an experience like a TV evangelist. I guess that would be the best way to describe the difference. Its a rebirth celebration and the village celebrates with you and it's done with enthusiasm and love. My brother is working on it and its a difficult job but its the community that will benafit and you will have an experience to last a life time. Here the whole hospital benefits not just the doctor!
          • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

            Sat, April 12, 2008 - 12:29 PM
            Nice!!..I like that concept!...
            • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

              Thu, April 17, 2008 - 8:27 AM
              Hi Matt here's some information for your trip to Gabon. I'm thrilled to help you out. Just as Simon says he wants to help the Baka Yaka & Efe (the people Simon refers to as pygmys) I am here to help you.

              www.mask.org.za/index.php
              official name: Gabonese Republic
              capital: Libreville
              head of state: President El Hadj Omar Bongo
              state: multi party democracy
              population: 1,424,906
              independence: from France in 1960
              languages: French (official), Fang, Myene, Bateke, Bapounou/Eschira, Bandjabi
              religion: Christian 55%-75%, animist, Muslim less than 1%
              currency: Communaute Financiere Africaine franc (XAF)
              media: NA

              legal wise

              status of homosexuality: legal
              age of consent: 18 (heterosexual) 21 (homosexual male and female))
              laws covering homosexual activity: Homosexual conduct not mentioned in criminal law as being offence. Gabon has no sodomy law.

              background information and government attitudes: Here is a provision from the penal code of Gabon, setting unequal ages of consent for hetero- and homosexual sex. The law came into force in 1969 (there was no specific mention of homosexual sex before that date) and may still be in force. Note, however, that I’ve dated it 1969-94, given that the last official publication I have is from 1994.

              Penal Code 1969-94
              Article 258: Whoever commits an indecent assault, real or attempted without violence, on a child of either sex under 15, shall be punished with imprisonment of 3 to 6 years. Whoever has perpetrated an act of gross indecency or an act against nature on an individual of his or her own sex under 21 shall be punished with imprisonment of 1 to 3 years.

              (David John Frank, Associate Professor, Harvard University - February 2002) Source ILGA

              communication

              Main lines in use: 39,100 (2005)
              Cellular telephones: 649,800 (2005)
              Television broadcast stations: 4 (plus four low-power repeaters) (2001)
              Internet hosts: 322 (2006)
              Internet users: 67,000 (2005

              One Love Ya 'll



              • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                Thu, April 17, 2008 - 8:54 AM
                More helpful hints. Listed below is a little background info. on Keith Harmon Snows past Investigations. Passing Keiths smell test will surely add credibility your program & your altruistic motives. I'm raising funds to send Keith on Simon's Gabon trip. Anyone who wants to contribute, go to www.allthingspass.com.

                I was sent to Gabon in 2005 to investigate Nganga Mallendi, who opened up his whole life to me. I stayed with his spiritual family in Libreville, We drove down to Tchibanga, where I stayed with his Mother, Sister & extended family & friends, & then down to Panga. I was treated extremely well, like a Queen, I must say. I never got sick, not even the sniffles. In fact I returned healthier than when I arrived. I'm confident that if what you claim is true, you (Simon & Co.) too will pass the smell test.

                I'll also be tapping an activist who'll go in undercover. Probably a Jewish gay activist. Like I said, I 'm confident your operation is on the up & up. I'm pleased to help you out.

                Keith Harmon Snow's Resumé

                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                Experience


                1992-2004 Freelance Japan & Massachusetts

                Journalist, Writer, Photographer & Human Rights Investigator

                · Researched & investigated international human rights & acute conflict.

                · Investigated international incidents: environment, security & human rights.

                · Published in magazines and newspapers in the U.K., USA and Japan.

                · Contributor, Encyclopedia of Religion & Nature, to be published in 2005.

                · Expert witness at special US Congressional hearing on Africa (2001).

                · 2003 Project Censored Awards (3) winner for Central Africa reportage.

                · Over 30 Africa lectures at educational institutions & public forums, on human rights, neocolonialism & political economy of the mass media.

                · Attended International Criminal Tribunal on Rwanda (ICTR).

                · Opening Address: 2001 6th Annual Int'l Africa Students Association Conference at Yale University.

                · Keynote Address: 2001 AADERT 7th Annual Africa Conference.

                · Collaborating in web design & conceptualization (www.allthingspass.com).

                · Contract investigator for Friends of the Earth, USA, investigated the sudden and suspicious deaths of three Latin American activists in Costa Rica (1998).

                · Editor, staff writer, photographer: Japan International Journal, Tokyo.





                2004 Survivor's Rights International VA

                Genocide Investigator, Research Analyst

                · Completed research mission to south Sudan to investigate crimes against humanity, acts of genocide, and human rights violations against the Anuak people of southwestern Ethiopia.

                · Published findings in major report: see "Today is the Day of Killing Anuaks" at www.genocidewatch.org and www.survivorsrightsinternational.org.

                2002-2004 Healthy Tomorrow (non-profit) Somerville, MA

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                · Project development (Project Stop Excision) to stop FGM in Mali.

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                · Earned highest GE Employee performance ratings.

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                Systems Test Engineer

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                · Responsible for all aspects of kitchen management and operations.

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    • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

      Thu, April 17, 2008 - 5:06 AM
      Simon, I would like some info. on the trip to Gabon. I am raising funds to send Genocide reporter for the UN & Project Censored Award Winner, journalist Keith Harmon Snow www.youtube.com/watch a close friend of mine.
      • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

        Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:50 AM
        Certainly; of course! As you know by reading any of the posts the planning is being done by a friend of mine; my self being quite new to Bwiti; however saying this I could not pick a better person to handle the planning. As you can imagine there is a lot that needs to be coordinated from arrival in Libreville; to the village and back again. I will get a detailed itinerary and ask if he; the planner (Mikodio) can be contacted directly should you wish to. The last time we had contact I received the information that he was working on the prices of some of the items needed for the ceremony. Mikodio was up in Gabon in January and there had been an increase since he was last there; five years before I believe. Mikodio and especially this "family" are progressive in their thinking and would welcome anyone regardless of their race; creed; religion; lack of religion or sexual identity. I will pass on this request now and will post when I receive any further information which should be soon. Thank you for your interest. It would be beneficial if small groups could be arranged since there are several people that showed an interest in traditional experience; which led us to where we are now with making it not only possible but a memorable experience.
      • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

        Thu, April 17, 2008 - 9:53 AM
        PS Its a bit unfair to call it my trip since some one else is doing all the hard work and MIkodio deserves the credit.
        • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

          Thu, April 17, 2008 - 11:33 AM
          Simon said: Its a bit unfair to call it my trip since some one else is doing all the hard work and MIkodio deserves the credit.

          Please accept my apology. I mean no disrespect to Mikodio. Could you tell me more about him/her?

          Travel Advisory Culled from the Thomas Riddle Site;

          Save A Gorilla; Do Not Commit Adultery With Gaboniase Women.

          www.thomasriddle.net/gabon/index.htm

          Word to the Wise. Do not contribute to the extinction of Gorillas. Respect Gaboniase Women, their Partners, & families.

          Thomas Riddle wrote about an incident in a village in Gabon, "On display were rattles, drums, skins, dried lizards, stuffed animals, gorilla hands, bird wings, hundreds of unidentifiable potions, tiny coffins, and even a gorilla head! "

          When asked about the Gorilla head, the shopkeeper said "...here in Gabon the magicians want to buy these things, so we have to sell them....We believe that with a gorilla hand you can hit your enemies from miles away.”

          Thomas Riddle commented, "Later someone else told me that in Gabon, if a man suspects that his wife is being unfaithful to him, he can get a magician to put a spell on her [viaGorilla head]. Then when she has sex with another man, that man will be unable to physically remove his organ from the adulterous wife’s vagina. The man who told me this swore it was true."

          Personal Note; I caution all women (inc. European/ American) not to travel with Thomas Riddle (not affiliated w/Mikodio & Simon -I think). My subjective opinion of him after reviewing his site, is that he is voyeur who lacks integrity & respect for fellow travelers' privacy (especially white women who enjoy a little romance on their holiday). I wouldn't travel with that wet blanket-don't take my word for it read his diari(a).
          • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

            Thu, April 17, 2008 - 12:00 PM
            Mikodio is listed as one of my friends and is the chairperson of Neo-Bwiti; you can visit his profile; not only has he had experience as a traditional healer he also teaches martial arts. He is a good guy to have as an ally and friend.
            Just to give my opinion on people who go on these type trips for whatever purpose, unless they spend a while living as the people do you don’t really get to understand the truth of the life there; you get treated as a tourist not an equal. This is why it was lucky for me that I was initially invited by Mikodio. I had no real intention of trying to find the closest example of what was practiced in Bwiti from the beginning or should I say before it was adulterated by Catholicism on my own. This would have taken a long time and just was not feasible when my interest was first pricked by feeling there was some thing missing from conventional ibogaine treatments in a medical sense. I emailed Mikodio but they are without power (what they are calling load shedding) he said he will get back to me as soon as possible after sending him a text about your request.
            • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

              Thu, April 17, 2008 - 4:30 PM
              Mikodio wants to make sure that everything is well planned; not to be a kind of tourist tailored initiation it must experience the real way, traditionally but progressive. This takes a bit of time but in the end it will be well worth while and as soon as there is any update I will post it.
              • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                Thu, April 17, 2008 - 5:19 PM
                A package deal is being worked on which will include transport to the village and other things; a cost of 810 Euro for the entire initiation has been estimated. I am still waiting on a breakdown but we dicided that it would be best to have a certain amount of groups per year. For example every three months which will alow enough time to organise everything. This is just the rough so far but I am expecting an email with more detail soon.
                • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                  Thu, April 17, 2008 - 7:28 PM
                  Cari how did you hook up with malendi? Does he speak english? i had this impresion he spoke english but for some strange reason didnt want to speak it (typical french attitude) although i know he is Gabonese ;-]

                  Simon keep going with your plan ;-] will be nice to see how it formed when it will be complete
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                    Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                    Thu, April 17, 2008 - 11:54 PM
                    >how did you hook up with malendi

                    Hi Matt, I'm an artist/activist. I was 'sent' to investigate ('nuff said). Nganga Mallendi is niether my first, nor my last initiation. Bwiti is not the only African religion in which I am invested.

                    With a skeptical eye I scrutinized Nganga Mallendi's work. He deeply impressed me with his art. And trust me, healing is an art.

                    I was drawn to this site of my own freewill to testify on behalf of Nganga Mallendi. Even if he begged me to stop, I wouldn't. I am here to set the record straight.

                    The only gripe I have with anyone on this site is in regard to the gross misrepresentation of Nganga Mallendi.

                    To tell you the truth, Daniel Pinchbeck tops my shit-list (can I say that?) right now. What alarms me about Pinchbeck is his dooms-day end-times rhetoric- the trademark of a cult guru. He doesn't have much of a following though, does he? Google Rushkoff v.s. Pinchbeck youtube.

                    Next on the list is voyeur Thomas Riddle.

                    I report to various groups including UN human rights.

                    I am a freelance, free radical, artist cult-breaker by nature
                    • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                      Fri, April 18, 2008 - 2:27 AM
                      OK I have some thing; Things thus far are as follows since Mikodio and I had a chat last night. The time needed to be set asside for the initiation will be about ten days. A breakdown of the costs involved should be ready in the next two or three days because I believe it is important to know what you are going to be getting for your money and where it will be going. We thought that the best idea would be to organise a set amount of trips a year. This gives the Grandfather and some one like Mikodio to time to prepare for overseeing and also to act as translator as nobody in the village speaks English. This group or branch of Bwiti is Ngonde Bosuka and very traditional although they are more open minded; so you will get to experience BWITI not a tourist side show. There are people who do this and there is nothing wrong with it; they just dont go that deep; this is going to be different. With a set amount of trips a year groups can be organised which I think in the long run will make it more enjoyable and possible less expencive. There is no doubt going to be some grumlings amongst the traditionalists who think that westerners should not learn or be introduced to some thing like this but Mikodio believes that Bwiti is not racially motivated or orientated. Once things get going and this looks like it could become workable I have offered my services as PR consultant; we will get there. So I should have a costing and breakdown soon and if there are iny questions I cant answer I will find out for you. I hope this helps some and until next time take care.
                      • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                        Fri, April 18, 2008 - 4:13 PM
                        For people on the east coast (us). Keith Harmon Snow will be giving a multi-media lecture titled

                        REVISITING THE HEART OF DARKNESS; TOWARDS AN ANTHROPOLOGY OF WHITE MAN IN AFRICA

                        Tues. April 22 2008 12:30 - 1:45
                        CUE Room 122
                        University of Connecticut, Storrs

                        I'll be there.
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                    Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                    Fri, April 18, 2008 - 4:04 PM
                    Matt, I had a translator. Would you like me to find out about a session with Nganga Mallendi using a translator?
                    • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                      Sun, April 20, 2008 - 8:01 AM
                      Hey Cari

                      I went to France in 2006 and attended the ceremony with Mallendi and his friends. Over all the experience was very positive and insightfull however I felt there were alot of things that were missing and tons of things that should have been implemented.

                      Its quite simple to explain. If you are doing 10 or more "initiations" in a month it will get boring and become a routine. When it becomes a routine you can not perfom it with your whole heart. Thats my opinion of what i observed and I belive i m being very objective. ;-]

                      Mallendi seemed like a great guy and I wanted to have a conversation with him since the second night i left i began to remember some visions which included him his grandparents/parents --for some crazy strange reason ;-]

                      Also i had a problem with the translation.. Laurent was there which I'm sure you are familliar with but during the three days he maybe translated 10 senteces all together. I was left isolated with nobody to talk to or understand whta Mallendi was explaining about Iboga etc.

                      Oh well ;-] Its all good.
                      • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                        Tue, April 22, 2008 - 7:55 AM
                        OK heres the latest:

                        Trip to Gabon (10 days)





                        Day 1



                        Arrival to Libreville



                        Day 2



                        Getting all necessaries staff ready before going to the village.



                        Day 3 to Day 8



                        Village, Forest and Bwiti initiation



                        Day 9



                        Back in Town, some activities around Libreville can be arranged like for instance going to the beach, African craft market, or some other tourist activities.



                        Day 10



                        Departure







                        Package Price per person € 1876



                        Cost Break down





                        Typical Bwiti Initiation: . ………………………………….. € 810

                        That amount cover the following:



                        1. Items needed for an initiation including (food and drinks)

                        2. People’s compensation

                        3. Ngangas’ Fee



                        Transport:. …………………………………………………..… € 150

                        Ø A car must be hired for 10 days



                        Guest House Accommodation:………..……….………..… € 305

                        Ø Including: Bed + Breakfast + Lunch + Dinner



                        Tour Organizer:..……………………………………………….. € 460

                        Ø The person organizing the trip \

                        Mikodio will be traveling as well to Gabon to meet you there.

                        He will monitor the whole initiation and will ensure it is done with integrity.



                        Development Fund for the village : ……………………….. € 135

                        That money will be used to improve the living conditions

                        in the village and so empowering the people living there.





                        Bwekaye !



                        Mikodio
                        • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                          Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:37 AM
                          Nice!

                          Few questions


                          1. How many people will be allowed to undergo the ceremony?

                          2. I heard that water is seldom provided with the Iboga in real initiations since it disrupts the effects --is this correct ? And will water be provided? ;-] I just cant imagine using your saliva to ingest massive amounts of it (as we know the taste becomes more bitter with each spoon and with each puking celebration it gets harder and harder ;-]

                          3. Why did you specifiacly choose the location/people that you chose?

                          4. what is their real opinion of "white" people trying to go through the initations since normally I heard children get prepared since early age with all kinds of prepartins ;-]

                          5. please provide more information on the "domination" of this particular Bwiti's philosphy/idealogy --even the basics and what makes them different from everybody else

                          5. the edika ceremony--what if somebody is completely strict raw vegan ;-] LOL --but valid question ;-]

                          thats it for now ;-]
                          • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                            Wed, April 23, 2008 - 12:23 PM
                            There is no limit to my knowledge I don’t see why there would be unless its an unmanageable number of people wishing to go.
                            I also need to get back to you with the months that will be possible to do two trips I think this year.
                            I have never heard about not using water; my experience has been the opposite. Iboga is very dry and difficult to swallow; also considering you need to swallow a lot I don’t see how else it is possible or why you would be denied water; as I said I was given water.
                            The location and people is Mikodio's choice; I would guess this is the village he has some affiliation with.
                            You can start Bwiti at any age the youngest person I personally know started at 12. There is obviously going to be one lot of people that are against white people joining which goes against the principle but this is a more progressive group. Remember when Bruce Lee started teaching martial arts in the west; the some of the Chinese did not like it much but this is like the left vs. the right wing; just politics.
                            Regarding vegetarianism or if you are vegan you are not forced to do anything it’s your choice. I will tell a story though:
                            I was strict veggie still am to a degree as my wife is. I did a survival mission on the wild coast and had run out of food and got taken in by a fisherman for the night; he realising I was either in trouble or a stupid white boy. I accepted the invitation and the only food was fish which I did not eat usually. I made the decision that he would not understand where I was coming from; plus I was hungry so I ate the fish rather than offending the man who shared what food he had with me. The fish was already dead; it just changed my thinking but you won’t be forced to do anything you don’t want to do.
                            I missed a bit. There is no domination of this branch of Bwiti. It just appealed to me for a number of reasons one being it is as close to what was practiced hundreds of years ago or respect is paid to that core belief system even though there is always room for self expression; you add to it as well. More than that; I guess is in the tasting you just got to go there and experience the adventure. I just liked the idea of an unadulterated tradition. Lastly being vegan is difficult enough socially; you are going to have to make allowances for that but there is no shortage of rice and veg. I think that covers it. Mikodio if you have anything to add:…. Let me just look up the months: July & Dec. I think that’s about it no? Those will be the months it will be possible to do the trips. There will also be some one to meet you in Libreville and help you shop for the things you will need which will maybe take 2 days from what I remember and then you will travel to the village. That’s when it will all start.
                            Bwekaye! Aie! Basse!
                            • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                              Wed, April 23, 2008 - 12:32 PM
                              Lastly please allow as much time to book in advance so things can be prepared that side; I would guess once we have a concrete number of seriouse people wanting to go a deposit should be considered I think that would only be fair and also show commitment since accomodation and food may have to be aranged before your arrival. I will bring this up at our next meeting.
                            • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                              Fri, April 25, 2008 - 9:57 AM
                              I've been a strict vegetarian for 24 years myself, so that's good to know. Cheers.
                              • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                Fri, April 25, 2008 - 2:19 PM
                                I am sure its different in the States or anywhere else first world wise but being vegetarian in South Africa means if you go out its pizza or pasta generally there is a lack of catering for veggies. But back to the ceremont its free will; nobody os going to force you to do anything which goes against you beliefs or principles
                                • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                  Sat, April 26, 2008 - 12:03 PM
                                  maybe we can persuade them to do the edika ceremony with a a few carrots and other veggies ;-]

                                  im sure there is tons of fresh fruits and vegies I can munch on ;-]
                                  • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                    Sat, April 26, 2008 - 4:40 PM
                                    seriously though I will make sure but I doubt your diet will be a problem. Take care matt and lets get some feedback-that would be great so at least I can have some thing to report to. Mikodio. He has spent a lot of time on this and although I dont expect a troup to appear; nor would wish that but some thing to report back after all his work will be great
                                    • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                      Sun, April 27, 2008 - 11:31 AM
                                      Hi Simon

                                      Everything looks good my friend. The price and the breakdown of prices looks fair and reasonable ;-]
                                      I am definetly interested in attending. You know that I will attend sooner or later. I dont know when since you know from what situation I m coming from.

                                      That said I will also check other people who orgonize the initation and pick the best one. The only person that comes to mind right of the bat is Tatayo so when I know the exact date I will take it from there.

                                      Simon dont feel slighted or discrespected ;-] I just want the best experience ;-] therefore research is esential ;-] I know full heartedly that you are being honest and sincere and everything should be run as stated. From everything i read thus far your plan looks the most promising and I cant find any fault in it ;-] Im just being straight up which i know you will appreciate ;-]

                                      Respect to Mikodio for making the plans ;-]

                                      Like you said the "iboga tourism" is a joke so thus far this is a great plan plus i know both of you are in this to introduce people to iboga not for the moneyh

                                      im at work so i ahve to run
                                      Bwekaye!
                                  • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                    Sun, April 27, 2008 - 3:19 PM
                                    Bwékayé MATT !

                                    I'm Mikodio, as you might have guessed

                                    I feel like saying to you a great "bassé" !

                                    I've been reading your posts and see your interest.

                                    In Bwiti and as probably in other religions , your heart is the basement of your strength.
                                    An inititiation is a complete rebirth , therefore, when you plan to live it out, keep following your heart in the process, as it is one of the channels Bwiti uses to communicate with your oneself and just let go ... !. As you mention Tatayo in one of your post , I would just like to say , he is a great man , with his heart in his palm!

                                    Remember, when you get down to Africa to land in a village , people appreciate with great consideration you concern , they wish to return to you the most welcome in their modest home, YOU Matt, the traveler who had crossed the sea to pay them a visit and experience their customs and traditions, just that make them happy already. You will bring them food , and they will naturally cook it for you to ensure that you eat well everyday. So you being a vegetarian , is not much a problem in this case .

                                    Edika is some kind of good long and interesting story that I won't discuss here. Just bare in mind, It is NOT a must.

                                    We had a wonderful yesterday (Saturday) the whole night as usual.

                                    We'll chat in private Matt ...

                                    Bwékayé! Aïe!

                                    Bassé

                                    • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                      Sun, April 27, 2008 - 3:41 PM
                                      Bwekaye!

                                      Mikodio! thanks for making an appearance and thanks for all the hard work you have put in to offering a wonderful experience to those that feel called. Now perhaps people can address you directly if they have any further questions for those that have been following this thread.
                                      For those of you that are interested I can say that I trust this man with my life and in his sincerity in all he does.
                                      I will leave it up to the rest of the tribe if there is anything further.

                                      Nzegho
                                    • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                      Mon, April 28, 2008 - 8:31 AM
                                      Bwekaye Mikodio!!

                                      Nice to meet your acquaintance ;-]

                                      It is re- assuring to know that the people look favourbly upon "westerns", and don't feel like they want to keep this plant supresed and only introduced to locals. In my opinion it would be egoisticly unreasonable to keep this plant "underground" -no pun intended ;-] and only share its knowledge with "Africans". If somebody ingested Iboga and still thinks in those categories it is a clear sign that they haven't learned anything. Bassee!! ;-]

                                      I realize there is more to it however the basis of the magical powers of the plant should be known to the whole world

                                      As far as the initiation goes I need to prepare my self physically/mentally/spiritually. From what I have seen with Mallendi this is going to be an experience of a lifetime (a rebirth) so there can't be no mistakes ;-] As you propably know from Simon I m coming from a "dark" chapter of my life and moving towards the bright beautiful sunshine ;-] I'm gathering more power and strenght as each day passes and keep feeling better ;-] Celebrating life to the fullest and paying razor sharp attention to each moment - realizing each moment is really special.

                                      I can feel the power of the ceromies you have with Iboga. (not talking about the initiations)
                                      I felt it with Mallendi --what it could be like. True celebration of life with food and drink magnified by the effect of Iboga. Nice!!

                                      We will definetly talk in private

                                      Take care my friend ;-]

                                      Bwekaye!!
                                      • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                        Tue, August 18, 2009 - 1:05 PM
                                        Could you please tell me, how it all ended up? Did you to Gabon...and how was it? Were the organizers truthful? Did everything go smoothly? Or was it just talking...... Please let me know. Thank you.
                                      • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

                                        Tue, August 18, 2009 - 2:27 PM
                                        Hello there.
                                        Could you please let me know, how this trip ended up last year. Was it happening at all? If yes - how was it? Were the orginizers trustworth people? Please let me know...I'm very interested. Thank you.
  • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

    Fri, August 28, 2009 - 10:16 AM
    I am also interested, how did this go?
    • Re: traditional initiation in Gabon

      Thu, September 10, 2009 - 4:06 PM
      Hi there, i have done one Bwiti work in Europe and i am not yet initiated, but i have friends who were initiated in Gabon and who have had and have really good experiences with the Ebando:

      www.ebando.org/en/EN.accueil.htm

      There you have the opportunity to meet several Fathers of initiantion and you can choose who feels best. the leader of the comunity is Tatayo, he appeared in the documentary with Bruce Perry.

      If you choose to go to Ebando you'll have to consider that it is possible that the initiation takes place on a different data than you had expected, because they don't work with fixed data. The use shamanic means to determine the right data.

      Bokaye!!!!

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