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Hello all. I'm determined to try some Iboga and want to make sure I do it right. I have 100g of Tabernanthe Root Powder, ordered from shamic-extracts.com. Customer service tell me that the powder is 3% alkaloids, which I take is the same as 3% ibogaine, is this correct? I ordered 50g but they sent me 100g :) Might be a good omen.
Wikipedia states that 3-5mg/kg is necessary for a mild stimulant effect. 10mg/kg or more for a full blown experience.
The document 'scrament of transition: protocol for iboga initiation' by anze tavcar, found at mindvox, recomments 12mg/kg for women and 14mg/kg as a standard initiation dose for spiritual seekers.
What I'd like to know is if I should firstly take a minor dose of 4mg/kg, then 8 then 12 to ease into this Iboga business. I'm no professional psychonaut and I don't think I'll be able to find a sitter. However, I have no methadone addiction, only nicotine and caffeine. I say only as if it's nothing but the nicotine needs to go. As far as psychological problems, sure I'm a little messed up in the head like most people but I don't suffer from depression, ADD, mania, schizophrenia or other serious conditions.
The powder I have, 25g is a hell of a lot. I weigh 65kg, so I'll be needing 9g for a 4mg/kg does, 18 for 8mg and 27 for 12mg. 9 grams is about half an egg in volume. I considered putting the powder into gel capsules, but i'll require so many that it'll need a litre of water to get down. Water I read is not what I should be drinking before an Iboga session.
So, what would you suggest? How about mixing the powder with some yogurt?
Wikipedia states that 3-5mg/kg is necessary for a mild stimulant effect. 10mg/kg or more for a full blown experience.
The document 'scrament of transition: protocol for iboga initiation' by anze tavcar, found at mindvox, recomments 12mg/kg for women and 14mg/kg as a standard initiation dose for spiritual seekers.
What I'd like to know is if I should firstly take a minor dose of 4mg/kg, then 8 then 12 to ease into this Iboga business. I'm no professional psychonaut and I don't think I'll be able to find a sitter. However, I have no methadone addiction, only nicotine and caffeine. I say only as if it's nothing but the nicotine needs to go. As far as psychological problems, sure I'm a little messed up in the head like most people but I don't suffer from depression, ADD, mania, schizophrenia or other serious conditions.
The powder I have, 25g is a hell of a lot. I weigh 65kg, so I'll be needing 9g for a 4mg/kg does, 18 for 8mg and 27 for 12mg. 9 grams is about half an egg in volume. I considered putting the powder into gel capsules, but i'll require so many that it'll need a litre of water to get down. Water I read is not what I should be drinking before an Iboga session.
So, what would you suggest? How about mixing the powder with some yogurt?
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Re: Beginner Iboga questions.
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 7:13 AMhey there ;-)
100 grams is a lot of rootbark
it depends on the quality of the rootbark
what you have to do is gradually take a spoon at a time and see how it goes
i can tell you its not going to be easy ingesting all that powder by your self. The taste is disgusting and you can expect a lot of vomiting
ibogaine hcl is better to take in a non traditional setting
forget about mixing it with yogurt. you have to go with the traditional way of taking it. one spoon at a time. have lots of water on hands since i doubt you will be able to take it without water. make sure you have a bucket ready for puking. but in all honesty i doubt you will make it far since it takes a lot of will power and commitment to ingest enough of the rootbark to reach the visionary stage
all the best and be carefull ;-))
matt
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Re: Beginner Iboga questions.
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 8:07 AMHello Nathanial'
To see if we can answer your questions'
***I have 100g of Tabernanthe Root Powder, ordered from shamic-extracts.com. Customer service tell me that the powder is 3% alkaloids, which I take is the same as 3% ibogaine, is this correct? I ordered 50g but they sent me 100g :) Might be a good omen.***
The possible reason for them sending you 100grams instead of 50 grams' is you bought root' instead of rootbark!!
This is root powder' it contains 3% alkaloids' of which possibly .2% could be Ibogaine'
Usually folks take of Iboga root bark' becasue it contains a possible 2-3% Ibogaine'
So powdered root could be anything' and extremely weak' seeing as the root contains less Ibogaine/alkaloids than the root bark'
So the rest of your study is as accuriate' but this would be for Ibogaine hcl and the %'s are for Ibogaine' the percentanges given are in no way for root bark or powdered root'
Usualy root bark contains 3-6% alkaloids of which 1.5-3% are Ibogaine
Get rootbark brother' folks use the root for to clear the bowels' and also for a very low dose regime' say to help stop smoking'
It would be unwise to attempt this procedure on your own' as of when you procure the root bark'
As of when the Iboga hits' you shall be unable to move' becasue of severe attaxia'
Anyone else knowledgeable wish to add to this post ?
Take care'
Bless
Nobunoni +
Remeber these %'s you have are for Ibogaine' the rootbark contains other alkaloids so your 3% powdered root' has a possible .2-.4% Ibogaine only'
To add' no caffiene with Iboga' also tobacco never mixes well with this lady!
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:01 AMThis is the reply I got from customer service:
"We only sell the highest quality. The batch we have now is from congo and has about 3% alk. The powder is the pure root and not so powerful as the rootbark."
So I've got root, which is rubbish? And is it really only 0.2% ibogaine? That means I'll have to consume nearly all of it!
Here's a quote from the page:
"The root bark of Tabernanthe iboga contains ibogaine as its predominant alkaloid and has been an impor source of it. "
If it's 3% alkaloids, then for this statement to be true, no other alkaloid must exceed the Ibogaine. I want a refund. This is BS.
One more question, if I buy rootbark, how much Ibogaine is there per gram? An estimate is good enough while I wait for a response from customer service.
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:21 AM> That means I'll have to consume nearly all of it!
Don't consume all of it, you'll get terribly sick. It's got stuff in it other than ibogaine that you don't want to overdose. It's like all the unpleasant physical effects of iboga and more (nausea, ataxia, throbbing head, pounding heart) without any psychoactivity. -
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 10:22 AMI feel like I've been rinsed. I've 100g of something that contains about 0.2% Ibogaine, tastes foul and is liable to cause unwanted side effects.
I am in luck, they offer refunds within 7 days.
So I'll get a refund and buy some rootbark. However, rootbark is about 3% alkaloids, 2% Ibogaine (as a rough estiamte). If i aim for 12mg/kg I better get on a diet or my bank balance will take a big hit. 1g of rootbark = 20mg ibogain. 12 mg x 65kg = 780 mg. 780mg/20mg =39 grams of rootbark!!!!
I've seen 1 gram of rootbark for 16 euros. 40 grams is.......ugh i don't want to think about it.
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Re: Beginner Iboga questions.
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 12:01 PMIf you are looking for high quality reliable rootbark contact Simon Loxton -
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Wed, December 24, 2008 - 10:36 PMI am new to this site and was nervous about who to buy from. Do you know how I can get in touvh with Simon loxton. Thanks Steve
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Thu, February 12, 2009 - 4:41 PMAny happy customers of Simon's on this list?
Any negative experiences?
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 12:56 PMAlthough they have advised that you may ask for a refund on the purchase I doubt that you will ever see you hard earned cash again! There are so many of these schemes going on, and they all turn out to be a bunch of lies, out right fraud so do beware. Before doing any future purchases maybe ask around first there are some great people on the list that could offer you good advise.
All the best
Kevin.
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Re: Beginner Iboga questions.
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 2:00 PM65kilo body weight'
Roughly 30-45mg a gram'
You would eat roughly 25 grams'
Not a bad task in two sittings'
You could no doubt half that for quite a hard experience! !
With the rootbark it is never all down to the Ibogaine present' the other alkaloids add to the experience' in my honest oppinion' making root bark stronger than pure Ibogaine hcl
Eat it slowly at one gram a day' for 12 days' you shall still see Iboga'
Bless
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 2:48 PMSorry Nate but commercial root bark is more like 2% ibogaine and the root will only have traces of ibogaine. I have High Performance Liquid Chromatography and Mass spec results on different bark etc. These guys have taken you for a mug I am afraid which is just another reason why you should research what you are doing; put it down to school fees and take it from there; try not to be disheartened. Just FYI the results also only showed trace amount of other alkaloids compared to the high ibogaine spike in the root bark which was the best grade. -
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Tue, July 15, 2008 - 9:02 PMwell i still think it depends on the quality of the rootbark
i cant imagine eating a gram of the rootbark i have right now for two weeks. Sleep would be non existent, digestion and metabolism would slow down, huge supresion of appetite. I think it could produce detrimental effects.
Possibly for a few days but even with that one gram I begin to connect to the source and that connection takes effort and inner strenght to control and to fully enjoy. I find i need and want time off even after 1 gram. The experience is intense and your physical body is not used to the ataxia and everything that goes along with it. To me rest comes naturally.
Ofcourse in the traditional setting during the initiation one can muster the strenght and will power to ingest so much
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Wed, July 16, 2008 - 10:05 AMNot rootbark Matt, it's root powder with a stunning 0.2% Ibogaine apparently.
I didn't get 100g for nothing. I found out that I accidentally ordered two packets of 50g instead of 1 packet of 50g. Now I've paid £65 for the priveledge of owning 100g of junk. I contacted customer service again, they still tell me:
"This is not rubbish, this is the highest quality on the market. Some clients like to test themselves with rootpowder before they deside to start with the bark. We cannot take the product back since we cannot resell it anymore. The powder is fine and working excellent."
So what do I do with the powder now I've got it? Is it worth using 60g as a trial run for when I get me some rootbark? -
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Wed, July 16, 2008 - 10:26 AMNath' so now you see Shamanic x'
Folks only eat root powder because to stop smoking tobacco'
Eat the root powder at 250mg a day' this shall prevent you from getting the shits'
You can stop smoking then!!
As to the comments from some geezer' "This is NOT rubbish"
Quite possibly never rubbish root powder'
The add sounds misleading to me % wise' total alkaloid content of root is less 1% of which would be a very small amount of Ibo'
So the man plays the money game'
He should eat 10 grams of quality rootbark' then try to tell you of what he sold you is good quality'
Iboga would slaughter him for his materilism and his dishonesty'
The root powder could be fine and working excellent' for root !!
It takes us 2 grams of top notch quality rootbark to get an experience that last for just over 10 days'
And we have eaten loads of woods in the last few years'
Give up brother' these folks are only in it for the money'
We never use Shaman x because they have a bad rep'
Be blessed brother' live and learn'
Love
Nobunoni +
Purchase from Maya in Holland' average quality' you shall get a fuzzy experience' then after 4-5 days get the Iboga experience'
It takes a lot of work to get a visionary experience from this type quality bark'
Or guts like mine' made of cast iron .:)
Enough already'
Wash your hands bro
3 steps foreward 2 steps back'
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Re: Beginner Iboga questions.
Wed, December 24, 2008 - 10:55 PMI am new here and you seem to know your stuff about iboga. I used to be an a painpill addict but I beat that the hard way two years ago and have not had any desire. But my doc says my receptors are still covered with opiates that I used, so I can't feel real happiness or natural euphoria and my anxiety has gotten worse. Overall I am blessed to be where I am at but if Ibogaine could help me in the anxiety and depression area it would be worth doing the persoanl growth dose. What type should I take and how much per kg and how should I take it? all at once or what? I am healthy and had my liver and other things tested. I may need an eeg because I had a tad high blood pressure. And where do I find the guy name Maya in Holland to buy from. I live in the US but hopefully we can work something out. Steve -
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Thu, December 25, 2008 - 6:33 AMIboga seems to be the treatment of choice for addictions. Be advised, though - Iboga and all derivatives are illegal (Schedule I) in the USA. Best bet for Iboga healing is somewhere the law allows it.
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Re: Beginner Iboga questions.
Wed, July 16, 2008 - 12:25 PMSo many unknowns with the root bark, not to mention the root *powder* being all but useless.
IMO, it's probably best to source the HCL, although one should take into account Paul's remarks about the alkaloid profile being a little different with high-quality root bark. I can't say personally--I've only had the HCL.
Nathaniel: I agree with Simon, this experience is "tuition" at Iboga University. Those people won't give you your money back as surely as you won't be placing another order. Keep looking and source the HCL.
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Wed, December 24, 2008 - 10:44 PMI think you were the one that someone on here referred me to buy from. I am new and need just enough for a girl that weighs 175 and me 220 for a spiritual session. I was addicted but kicked painpills 2 years ago. My receptors still are not right. I can't have fun like I used to. I am getting much better. My motivation is down also. I have heard that they can't prove it but it may clean out the receptors that is responsib;e for my natural euphoria and happiness. Tell me what you know and what I should buy from you, By the way I live in the US st pete, fl what can we do about that? Where are you located? Steve
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Wed, December 24, 2008 - 10:33 PMHey I am new to iboga even though i have studied alot on iy. You seem to know your shit. I previously was a painpill addict but kicked it myself no help 2 years ago. But I have heard that smaller doses can be good for ex addicts for anxiety and mild depression. They say there best guess but they can't prove is that ibogaine clears the receptors that are keepng from having natural euphoria and happiness.1) Should I do bark or hcl? 2) If so how much for spiritual growth per kilo, I weigh 220 pounds 3) I am going to have a sitter but neithern one of us has experience - I am in great shape and all the test of my liver, etc was tested a month ago. 4) Do you think I need to do an eeg for the smaller dose.5) Who can I trust to buy from. Taking my position and mindset do you have anything to add that would help. Thanks Steve -
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Tue, June 16, 2009 - 8:46 PMMaybe I am off topic, but cant anyone follow a recipe and make an extract themself? Truly eating so many grams of root powder would be difficult. But I believe Lotsoff has some simple recipes on the U.k. site...
And once that ataxia and nausea kicks in how do you hope to ingest more? Would a carmelized sugar- Iboga suppository hang out easier...
Just a thought for retention.
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Wed, June 17, 2009 - 5:58 AMHi Leon' I sent you the recipe'
Be well'
Nobuoni +
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