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i notice with mdma that there is a thing called the tuesday blues that there is a serotonin crash after 3 days of taking
and to be aware when i do therapy with people and they use to bust threw stuff i also catch the tuesday and work with the low
because that to is information for their journey to healing what they are looking for
marijuana has a 3 day 3 week and 3 month cycle affect
yes a lot of 3s but this has been reported
does iboga have the cycles to pay attention to?
and to be aware when i do therapy with people and they use to bust threw stuff i also catch the tuesday and work with the low
because that to is information for their journey to healing what they are looking for
marijuana has a 3 day 3 week and 3 month cycle affect
yes a lot of 3s but this has been reported
does iboga have the cycles to pay attention to?
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Re: interesting question
Sun, December 14, 2008 - 6:58 PM3hours on a little dose before you are unfuzzy and up and running'
3 days on a large dose before you are up and running
5 days and you are up and running with no ill effects from the Iboga fuzzies'
After Iboga it becomes a matter of taking control of your psychi' otherwise the spirits shall consume you'
You never come back after Iboga' the effect physicaly is gone after about 5 weeks' but the spirit/psychi no longer is earth bound'
Like many African plants' once ingested' the change they bring is permanent'
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 3:09 AMNow, a few months after a powerful Iboga experience I can't say I still feel much different than before, much less that my spirit/psyche are no longer earth bound. I believe some changes are permanent, but they're subtle.
> Like many African plants' once ingested' the change they bring is permanent'
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 4:42 AMDzikus' how much Iboga did you ingest' about 5 grams of 5x' ? about 1oz of woods'
You have a big head bro' there should be no edge to the size of your psychi' that is permanent'
So you are saying you never got to speak with the spirits ? No speak with the spirits now ?
Silene Capensis is a dream herb' you ingest of her every day for 3months' you shall never require here again' even if you got a bad weed head'
Many Blessings
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 5:53 AM6 grams of the extract, spent 48 hours in bed and had 4 weeks of afterglow.
A lot happened during the experience.
As for permanent effects, some of my beliefs have changed and it seems I've become more sensitive to other plants.
I've been eating the froth of Silene Capensis for over a week now, my dreams are amazing but also somewhat disturbing, with real people in uncomfortable situations and even apocalyptic scenarios... So far so good, will carry on for sure :) -
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 6:54 AMYou shall be Altered psychicaly forever bro' this is only the begining' you wait till you look back 3 years or so' you shall see of how far you really have come'
Silene shall keep the REM stage of Iboga going' you get to deal with it all in dreamland' whilst conciousness is untethered'
I love Silene' careful of how much you take though' cos you shall end up a walking waking dream' lucid dreaming all the time'
I have no took this herb for over 6 months now' and my dreams are still as vivid a they where the first week of ingestion'
Good energies to you bro'
Blessings
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 10:29 AMNobunoni I always appreciate the time you take to answer my questions
thank you D' thank you also
all to help with others stories
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 1:08 PMKristin, perhaps a stupid question, but do you incorporate a good source of 5-HTP (Griffonia based is most common) into your therapy? Taking one 1st full dose 6 hours after and every 6 hours there after (if possible) for three days ought to cancel out "the dip." Supplementation with additional nutrients and electrolytes makes for even better results. -
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Tue, December 16, 2008 - 12:21 PMdimi
yes and no
sometimes i ask that they work with the dark slide i have them meet with me during that time also
thinking sometimes shadow work is good
what is griffonia i am looking it up
and have a great winter solistice the words around town is that you are doing a lot of healing and education
i have friends from my old hood in nyc
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Tue, December 16, 2008 - 12:30 PMGriffonia simplicifolia is a woody climbing shrub native to West Africa and Central Africa.
The seeds of the plant are used as a herbal supplement for their 5-HTP content.
5-HTP is a serotonin precursor. It's most effective when taken with vitamin B6, which helps convert it to serotonin. -
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Tue, December 16, 2008 - 2:01 PMWhat Dzikus said. Cheers mate.
Coolness Kristin. Keep rocking y'all !
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 2:45 PMyep, Nobu, i think silene is one of those plants that should mix with sacred wood. -
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 4:14 PMMy Silene dreams are reminiscent of the ones I had after Iboga. -
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Mon, December 15, 2008 - 4:16 PMi have noticed that same for quite a few persons who have availed themselves of the sacred wood. and silene is so benign. -
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Wed, December 17, 2008 - 1:04 PMd-
i did not know about the b6 trick
tricky trick
thank you
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 4:34 PMjust drunk a nice infusion of silene, calea and wayusa. We shall see what happens in the dream reality :-)
Also got my capi and chaupanga...will brew that in the next few days! :-)
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 6:11 PM> just drunk a nice infusion of silene, calea and wayusa. We shall see what happens in the dream reality :-)
IMO a more considerate approach to new plant allies would be to not mix them on your first try, especially without having done much research.
While there are no dangerous physical interactions among the ones you've listed, they work differently and may counteract each other on many planes. And if something happens indeed, you won't be able to tell which effects to ascribe to which plant.
Good luck with your experimentation and don't rush things :)
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 6:30 PMi agree. its much better to meet each plant person one on one for a few weeks to months, (sometimes years) before adding another companion. When you know each plant person well, you will know which ones are compatible to make friends, and which ones just by temperment alone, so to speak, would not get along. A period of using a plant is also affected by how much you 'intend' to get to know it, on a concious level. just my 2 cents.
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 1:35 PMthe wayusa has a strong stimulating effect...drank it way too late....was awake through most of the night....i ll do the calea by its self tonight...i didnt notice anything significant :-) -
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 3:31 AMMatt'
be very careful'
Silene builds up in the system and is stimulating'
A deffinite no no to Ilex guayusa' you should never partake of any caffine after Iboga'
If you partake of this plant' or coffee before Iboga you can have a heat attack'
After Iboga' Iboga is a stymulant of which you can tap into at Will' caffiene overloads the nervious system and psychi'
you shall hurt yourself'
my advice would be no mix Silene with anything other than raw Cocoa chocolate'
just my take on a few personal experiments'
No more than 300mg-500mg max of Silene a day'
NO CAFFIENE ! !
My question to you now would be' "Of what are you tying to achieve with this combo ?
As to Calea zacatechichi' be very careful again' all these substances have marked different effects after Iboga'
Dose dependant Calea shall make you restless'
I am guessing you are looking for the lucid dreaming to continue you healing after Iboga'
Low dose daily of Silene Capensis' the Africans know of what they are doing bro'
Mixing south American plants with African plants comes a long way down the road and takes a lot of practice and respect'
If you are still no up and running off of Iboga' then eat Iboga' until you can eat no more' or low dose daily' you shall lucid dream'
Once a path is chosen' especialy through Iboga' it is advisable to learn of the plants effects' before partaking of them'
You would never eat a substancial dose of Iboga' then partake of Ayahuasca' it would no doubt kill you'
All I am saying Matt' is be very careful' it hurts real bad if you get it wrong'
Even Silene Capensis shall kick your ass if you take too much'
Many Blessings and good health'
Nobunoni +
P.S. No weed' it kills dream recall' until you have enough Silene Capensis in your system to overide the fuzzy snowy psychic effect of dope'
Got a weed hangover in the morning' Stick 150-300mg of Silene Capensis (ground) under your tongue' she shall clear you head in a few minutes'
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 7:29 AMNo take a MOAI with SILENE CAPENIS' she has an inhibiting effect on seretonin re-uptake'
Be safe
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Wed, December 24, 2008 - 10:11 AMI have had incredible results with wayusa. The energy level is off the charts and my mental clarity and alertness is noticable by everyone around me. Dreams are deffinetly more vivid but nothing very significant.
Be well!
Matt
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Mon, January 26, 2009 - 8:04 PMPerhaps off topic, but since it was brought up...
On Silene Capensis:
I have just begun working with this botanical full on (having taken small amounts for a few days here and there over the past couple years), I've taken roughly half a teaspoon of powdered dry root each morning for 4 days now.
My first question is about the froth, I was told to grind the root in a coffee grinder, mix it in a half cup of water and drink first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, I do this and when I mix it up no froth forms, just a bunch of little pieces of root suspended in water. I am certainly not having any problems with it not being active, the dreams have been extremely vivid and intense even from the first day. Any tips on how to get that lovely froth I keep hearing about?
Second question, how long should I keep at this in order to achieve that permanent lucidity? is there a set period? 30 days? 60? 3 months? longer? Or should I trust that the medicine will let me know of its own accord?
and lastly, on other African ethnos: I have a bit of Alepidea amatymbica, Helichrysum odoratissimum, and Synaptolepis kirkii. Is it safe to use any of these while on this silene regimen? and if so, should they mixed into my morning drink or ingested on their own via eating/drinking/smoking?
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Mon, January 26, 2009 - 9:51 PMhaving not taken the other plants you mention, i cannot know.
If you are not getting froth, maybe you need powder it finer, or shake longer. if you could, post a picture if the silene you are taking.
If you work with silene seriously, as a plant teacher, you need not go longer than 3 months of continual use, it resets you permamanetly.
I take it for its other medicinal effects as well (neuropathic pain).
when trying to incorporate other plants, ask the plant itself, and make it a subject of dream quests. She will tell you what works with her,
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Mon, January 26, 2009 - 9:54 PMp.s. you need only about 250-350 mg, daily, more will not be(more) chemically effective. Taking too much can lead to the need to visit the porcelain goddess, as Silene is emetic in larger doses. In my personal work, i work with a plant teacher 3 months before i start experimenting with admixes. -
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Tue, January 27, 2009 - 4:18 AMThank you for your help. I will post a photo as soon as I can get my hands on a camera. The reason I asked about the other plants as admixtures was that they are all listed as being Ubulawu plants. I will wait and ask her as you have instructed. I think the froth problem may be the grind, my little coffee grinder kinda leaves me with shredded root instead of powder. I think tomorrow I will try the blender.
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Tue, January 27, 2009 - 11:26 AMPut a gram of Silene into a 1 liter bottle and fill it up with water, leaving some empty space for the froth.
For the next 7 nights, before bedtime, shake it well for a minute, push the froth out by squeezing the bottle and eat it.
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Tue, January 27, 2009 - 1:03 PMThanks, I will try that.
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Tue, January 27, 2009 - 1:45 PMI do this right before bedtime, having fasted for 3 hours or so.
Morning would probably work as well. I'd allow some time for it to settle down in your gut before you drink or eat anything else, but I'm just guessing here... -
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Tue, January 27, 2009 - 6:47 PMtraditionally, it is taken in the morning, and i eat maybe 30-60 minutes later. -
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Thu, January 29, 2009 - 7:14 AMthat half teaspoon I was taking those first few days turned out to be between 3-5 times a proper dose when I finally pulled out the scale. Didn't have me spending the day in devotion to the porcelain goddess but it did make me really really tired all the time and had me sleeping a good 10-12 hours a night. Upon correct dosing the tiredness is gone and the dream recall seems even better. interesting indeed. Oh, as a side note, any possible interactions with the mushroom? How about with molly? -
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Thu, January 29, 2009 - 1:35 PMi cant speak about mushrooms, its been along time on that.
i don't see why it would interfere with molly, but always be careful until you are sure. i would not have it accompany molly, i would separate them by 12 hours. just my 2 cents... -
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Thu, January 29, 2009 - 5:19 PMThanks that's reassuring to hear, I'll do some more research on exactly how it interacts with the old neurochemistry and make sure I'm completely positive. I do love my dreaming, but sometimes you need to go enjoy the night life :) -
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Thu, January 29, 2009 - 5:50 PMHmmm...
So apparently the active ingredient in the silene capensis is Triterpenoid saponins.
A random click in a google search popped up with this little bit of information:
"Sarsaparilla's saponins facilitate the body's absorption of other drugs and phytochemicals. The saponins are used by the body to synthesize hormones. Sarsaparilla has a noticeable aphrodisiac effect, thus explaining the popularity of old-time root beer in the saloons."
and a little further down
"The original true flavor of root beer comes from sassafras root. Because sassafras root contains safrole, it cannot be sold in the US for human consumption. Safrole is an MDMA precursor and is itself psychoactive."
So logically these saponins and mdma-like chemicals won't have any dangerous interactions, apparently quite the contrary is true, they seem like each other quite well.
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Thu, January 29, 2009 - 6:47 PMyep, sassafras does indeed have some effect, and would probably accentuate molly. the oil is not legally sold in america (of sassafras). -
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Fri, January 30, 2009 - 8:16 AMstrange- in my own work with silene i have found myself very stimulated, not extra sleepy as you mention... -
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Fri, January 30, 2009 - 3:28 PMThe sleepiness came from taking too much, 5 days straight of around a gram plus at a time. At the 250-300 mg level I notice no effects whatsoever on my waking consciousness. Dreaming however; on the large doses they were extremely intense and muddled, I typically have a certain amount of lucidity in my dreams, but these were absolutely uncontrolled and chaotic, it was like having 5 dreams going on at the same time overlapping and interconnecting with one another, kinda the way the music does at burning man when your situated between several large camps, only in dream form. On the smaller doses my dreams are still pretty intense but very clear and controlled, I am fairly lucid most of the time and they seem to have a certain beauty to them that I can't really explain, but I digress...
Stimulated eh? I've never heard of anyone having that effect from it before. Is it mild like a cuppa tea? or more along the lines of coffee, or even amphetamine? and what kind of doses and time periods are involved?
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Sat, January 31, 2009 - 2:27 PMIntention is a major factor here too - if one doesn't intend to think about, or remember your dreams, it can be 'vauge' at first. If one intends to have a better quality of dream recollection with silene - it really helps to 'intend' to, every night, last moment of thought, before sleep. (Its sets the tone, or template of your own self interactions)
my 2 cents anyway....
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Sun, February 1, 2009 - 10:53 AMThe sleepiness came from taking too much, 5 days straight of around a gram plus at a time. At the 250-300 mg level I notice no effects whatsoever on my waking consciousness.
Silene Capensis is a stimulant'
1000mg of silene a day would leave you with one hell of a high' a dose of 500mg feels like Betel nut to the body' with little effect on psychi'
The stimulaing effect certainly opens the pineal gland'
A dose of 300mg in the morning brings a great lucidity to wakefulness'
No mix Silene with any substance' no to mushrooms' unless you have had a couple of days clear of her'
She interferes with weed quite nicely' 150-300mg under the tongue first thing in the morning clears one of a weed hangover'
Also shall stop you getting high on weed in the normal sence' you can smoke loads and the weed no really touch you'
Because of Silenes stimulating effect it is no a good idead to mix her with coffee'
Bliss
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